Well, if determinism means "if you are given the exact starting conditions of a system, you can tell me exactly how it will evolve with time," then modern Physics is emptily deterministic - since the Uncertainty Principle prohibits you from ever knowing the exact starting conditions of any system.

When someone claims A => B, it can be true either because there exist cases in which A is true, and in those cases, B is true also, or because A is never true. It is true to say: "all wabajahooies are yellow and slimy," if there are no wabajahooies in existence. Otherwise stated, every set contains the empty set.

As for "Indeterminism," I may have misunderstood, but what's the difference between having events that are not predetermined and saying that those events are random?

I argue that the belief in free will is as arbitrary as the belief in its lack of existence. These are both legitemate beliefs which cannot be proved or refuted. As for the psychological gut feeling of mastering one's own fate, I take your words for it. We all agree that some people, including myself, live with the illusion that they freely choose what to do, and that these decisions lead to changes in their actual life. I argue that in addition to this illusion, there is indeed an ability to freely choose what to do etc. In my view, people who don't live with the above illusion have free will just as well.

BTW, now that my 30 days are over, I've got my license back. But don't worry, my trial is this Thursday and my chances aren't high. That's 9:00AM at Ramle court, if you wish to watch me in demise.