I just want to answer your question
about the differences between the
lands occupied in '67 or in '48.
There is no difference !
The historic crime done by us ( and by
us I mean the zionists) can not be
turned back. All we can do is to try
and make the palestinians up , by
giving them their pride back (which
sometime is more important than one
percent more or less of land).
How , you ask ? well , first by treeting
them as human beings. by giving them
a passport , a goverment , a country
a flag to salute and I can go on , but
I believe you already got the point.

I'm not going to argue with you about
the morality of the Israeli behaviour
during the last 3 decades. I'm ashame
of it and my sorrow is not for people
like you who truely believe these lands
should be ours no matter what. I am
sorry that the only reason for our
goverments to realize this injustice
came after 8 years of citizens fight.
Now , I would really like to hear how
this situation can be turned back...
I don't see it , as much as I don't see
how we can get rid of the palestiniens
like some once thought as a solution.
On the other hand , I can see how we
can take the MITNACHALIM off our
back and out of the conqured lands.
Do you see any other solution (again
I'm ashame to speak of this subject
as a solution rather than a humanity
act , though I have no choise).

Your opinion is very interesting , I
would like to know what is it based on.
Since the begining of the Oslo
conversations Arafat repeatedly said
that the Palestiniens see Jerusalem as
the capital city of Palestin.
For some reason the Israelis (especially
from the left side of the politic view)
ignored these says assuming he said it
to satisfy his voters.
I think Jerusalem should not be
associated with no country whatsoever.
Arrafat doesn't think so for his own
reasons which I disagree with as much
as I disagree with yours.
On the other hand , it certainly donesn't
mean that he wants us out of here.

So what does he want ?
Why does he spend years over years
negotiating with Israelies prime
ministers stubborn as an ox ?
Why did he suffer the humiliation our
beloved Bibi gave him ?
If you were right , why did he leave the
armed resistant to the Israeli conqur
and tried to sign an agreement that
would give his people some dignity ?
I don't look for mathematic equations
just for you to be reasonable and open
minded.

Arafat knows , like everybody else ,
that Israel exists and will remain with
or without the AMANA.
It takes a great man to understand that
reality and hearts desires may
sometime conflict and than to choose
reality.
In this sensitive situation we live in
where two peoples are living in such
a little square , we should be thankfull
that two reasonable men came out
of darkness and started a new way of
talking and understanding each other
instead of fighting a fight that can
never be won.
These two men are Arafat and Rabin
(although I make no comparison).
Their way will win I shall hope despite
all the blood thirsty people living
among both sides.

1) Yes , he finally got himself , actulally
not for him but for his people , a
country. Maybe that what he wanted
and not to destroy Israel ?
2) When he started negotiating with the
Israel's representors, the greatest side
effect of that (beside ending the Fatah
resistant ) was a recognition In the
existent of the country Israel in Israel.
You can't negotioate with an entity that
doesn't exist , can you ?
3) When finally Palestin will be rise , any
violent act of the Palestinians
wouldn't be of an individual act , but
a violent act of a country , which is the
same as declaring a war. Then we'll
have the world's support on our side
and a legitimacy to protect ourselves.
He knows that in that war , he can only
loose. He knows that when Pallestin
will be rise , the Israeli-Palestinian
disagreement will have to end.
4)Finally here's a carzy thought for you.
Maybe the Palestins has more
important thing to do than fight.
Maybe they are after all human beens
and want like anyone else to be able to
live quitely in honor , to work , to have
their calture and a country.Just maybe ?

The Fatah organisation was founded
in the late 1950s with the aim of
liberating Palestine from Israeli control.
Since , 50 years passed , and a lot
had changed on both sides.
The Fatah , these days , is no longer
small terror organisation , so does its
leader (who just earned a novel price
for peace , eather you like it or not).
I agree with you that arguing of Arafat
goals is pointless.