The monarchy in Nepal is a dictatorship (like all western democracies.) the masses in Nepal are starving daily forced to sell their daughters to prostitution in India. They are killed for expressing political views and are jailed for years with no charges. The only way out for the Nepalese masses is with the science of Marxism. Capitalism have shown again and again to be a bank roped idea forcing half of humanity to live on 2 dollars a day, and 20% of the world to consume the benefits of the rest 80%.

India, Britain, and America, are the imperialist powers who are exploiting Nepal. They are the ones who while talking about democracy in oil rich country’s are supporting a corrupt king that have probably killed his own family. Right new the Maoists could seize power (controlling already 80% of the country,) all their left to conquered is Katmandu. But they knew that their country would be invaded almost immediately by foreign powers, probably India. I think that they are waiting for the revolutionary Maoists in India to escalate their attacks on the Indian government and gain more base areas.

http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/1029/p07s02-wosc.html

In any case the chairman of the CPN has given a couple of interview’s lately to the BCC.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/4707058....

I recommend paying close attention to the questions of the western reporter about “violence” and “democracy” (beside the usual orientalism.) Since the Nepalese do not have Jewish lobbies in Washington, or oil fields, their holocaust by the hand of imperialist powers have been ignored by the western media.

I also think that people should not use their real names commenting on this issue, the communist party of Nepal is on the terrorist list of the u.s.

"Dictatorships in the modern sense tend to exert their power without any regard to the moral or ethical consequences of their actions. They hardly ever come to power by democratic means, often being installed by a coup d'état or revolution..."

"Such regimes survive out of the fear the people have for the government. Dictatorships often use armed force, propaganda, and arbitrary detention to enforce their will, and usually suppress any opinion which runs counter to their own."

The definition of the state according to Marxists is the organize force and the dictatorship of the ruling class over the proletarian. A good example is your country that is oppressing millions of Palestinian (never allowing them the right to “vote”) and decides usually according to the interest of imperialism (not bringing decision like racist laws and occupation to be vote about.) Palestinian and Israelis who fight against this oppression are subjected to surveillance, harassment and death.

Another good example is America, who oppresses and kills millions of people in hundreds of different ways, from the World Bank, NAFTA, FTA to the war in Iraq. And at home too, subjugates millions of African Americans, Latinos, and Native Americans to poverty and oppression. Political activist are murder and killed and are always monitored (such as with the case of the black Panthers and the American Indians Movement.)

Or even on a world scale, the half of humanity who is subjected on a world scale to misery and oppression would never gain the right to vote, on the contrary, usually imperialist countries intervene to deny them this right.

There is also no need to talk about the brain washing and scare tactics that your government and other government use to deny critical thinking.

If your question is with regard to the Jewish population in Palestine, whether they are oppressed or not, I would say no (and I would say the same about a lot of the white population in America.) The question however, is whether the Jewish population would be considered to be proletarian, or even a class that has an entrance in a revolution. Most of the Jewish population seems to be profiting economically from imperialism (whether directly through the oppression of the Palestinians or indirectly from the billions of blood dripping dollars paid by the u.s.)

The only solution to any capitalist country is a revolution as been design by Mao, and the dictatorship of the proletarian. The masses have never been more freeware than under the dictatorship of the proletarians over the oppressor. As it seems in Nepal the Maoist party have propose a parliamentary government shared with the other big parties.

I have commented here on other questions regarding the science of revolution that might answer some of your as well.

http://directory.kol-israel.com/asites/favorites.htm...

I have commented on this issue before.

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Especially this one that was written as answer to a “historical” web site http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstat1.htm#Mao claming that millions of people died during the communist era of china.

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I also suggest reading the whole discussion; it’s the one about the kid who was interrogated for landing the red book.

You are right, China today is capitalist. There was a coup after the death of Chairman Mao in which capitalists from inside the party seized power.

History as we knew is written by the winning side. In your country for example the real story of your own history is rarely known. The 67 invasion is being upheld as a self defense act, hundred of Palestinians villages who were demolished over the years are not mention and the peace plan by Barak is precise to be the “best offer” that was given to the Palestinians. In America too, people celebrate “Colombo’s day” and admire war criminals such as Kissinger Nixon and Regan.

If the Nepalese masses manage to seize power and to transform the economy they will be invaded. If not by India who depends on Nepal water resources, than by britian or the u.s. who would never allow the masses and the oppress to even think that they can create a batter future. This was manifest in Vietnam (who had no economic value to the imperialists) and in the80s in Peru.

I can only unite with your true understanding and sentiment towards the so-called free economy. I would only like to ad that this is capitalism in its currant development, imperialism.

Shokey!!!!

It’s been a while, how is my socialist friend?

The Communist Maoist Party has hundred of members from different universities in Nepal epically the Katmandu University. Intellectuals and smart people like you, unlike all those conservative unthinking stupid masses.

Zut Zut. One stupid proletar mass has more brain in his head than ten intelectuals with glasses!

Indeed, not to mend one's ways when one has erred is to err indeed

There is nothing that the king can do about it. Communists apply the science of revolution as develops by Mao, and understand the unevenness of growth in third world countries. They use inability of the arm forces of the state to mobilize themselves to diffract places, and the vest difference between the city’s and the side country, to wage guerrilla warfare, and to establish autonomies base area’s creating a state within a state. The base areas are used to educate and help the masses to develop their economy and way of life. For example in Nepal base areas, women enjoy full rights and can get divorce and birth control (in a society where women are bought and sold.) rape and wife beaten are punished in peoples court.

What interesting to me about westerns who travel to Nepal (and in general to the Far East.) Is the romanticizing of poverty and oppression, you would think that one who goes to societies where people die every day from hunger, where dieses like flue kill thousands of people, and where girl’s at the age of six are sold to prostitution would come beck with negative emotional experience. But no, all that western can talk about with regard to the east is the “happiness” and true “spiritually” of poor people, and how one can be so happy without material property (all you need is love!.)

All the things that I wrote about connect to the subject, capitalism, and the ways its manifest it self.

The state of Israel is a dictatorship that like all capitalist countries cannot do without religion. How would you justify racist laws if you cannot connect it to fact that Jews are the chosen people, or that Jews have lived in Palestine 1000 years ago? The only way that you can define the Jewish nationality is by religion (like assuming that a Muslim in Indonesia shares the same nationality with an Egyptian Muslim.) Israel is the last apartheid state to exist.

I think that the problem with the word “imperialism” is that you do not understand its meaning… imperialism unlike colonialism is the domination and exploitation of one state by another not by direct military control.

The Tibetan monarchy ruled the Tibetan people with an Iron feast. Starving and killing slaves and surfs. The Daley lama him self owned more than 4000 slaves. The Tibetan masses have rebelled against him and his corrupt regime with the aid of the Chinese communist army. The Daley Lama was smuggled by C.I.A after the revolution, (should I say more?)

I really don’t understand how you justify the starving of kids in South America and Africa, undermining democratic elected presidents in order to put dictators, and bombing thousands of people in Iraq in order to maintain market profit.

The people in America have no say with regard to their government who is controlled by big companies. The oppression against black and Latinos is a direct consequence of American policies. The fact that south American immigrates in to the u.s. is a consequence of years and years of American interventions and oppressive institution such as NAFTA and the “free trade America”.

As I said before after the death of Mao China went capitalist.

What I meant is that half of the world that is going hungry every day even so there is enough food just in the u.s. to feed all humanity. Would never have the opportunity to vote whether they want to eat or not. On the contrary, like with Vietnam, Chile, Congo, and Indonesia, imperialist countries would intervene to deny that right.

I never say'd that the Jewish “nation” can’t think.

One of the ways in which Israelis are profiting from the occupation is by the ability to hire cheep labor, and by billions of dollar from the good father of Israel, America. And I think that not understanding that, is an example of the way people are educate to think in Israel.

I can’t relate to the quote by Chairman Mao unless you provide me with the information of where you got it from.
The definition of science is the observation, identification, description, experimental investigation, and theoretical explanation of phenomena. With regard to revolution it’s the definition of the world with regard to how to make revolution.

Fundamentally, religion is one of the glues that hold society together. It makes sense of what does not make sense, and gives unreal meaning to the oppressed and the oppressors.
The masses justify their position in society saying that what that is suppose to happen, happens. That god is the only real judge that life is supposed to be hard any way, and that in the end we are all going to go to haven and that only the god or the messiah can save us. Religion also creates division between men and women and differences between nations. And this why your country or any country could not survive with out it, if in your country Arab and Jews or even just men and women would view each other as equal, your society will be crumbling down.

What interesting about religion is how it always changes with the economic structure. For example, Jews have always be considered to be Christ killers but now with the need of America of a military base in the middle east, Jews became part of the prophecy and the people who would bring the messiah.

The definition to nationality (as define by Stalin) is, a common language, a contiguous territory, an integrated economy, and a common culture formed from common experience. Today, there is a Jewish nation in occupied Palestine. Their was also a Jewish nation in Russia, and this is why Jews were given an autonomy territory in soviet Russia (Oblast.) Their defiantly no such thing as a Jewish nation all over the world, according to what you are saying, if I’m a catholic I’m part of the Italian nation.

The state of Israel is settler colonialism, and what you should pay attention too is how economically your country is depending on exploitation.
This web page will have all the rescores that you need.

http://www.etext.org/Politics/MIM/faq/tibet.html

This is a good description of the story of Tibet

http://rwor.org/a/firstvol/tibet/tibet4.htm

I think that the occupation today of Tibet is a crime.

The C.I.A is the organization that is responsible among other thing: aiding the corrupt regime of the shah of Iran putting him in power after sponsoring a coup against a democratic elected president. Sponsoring a coup against a democratic elected government in Chile putting Pinochet in to power. The backing of the corrupt and murderess rule Ching Ka Sheck in China, and the backing of the contras in Al Salvador.

Your philosophical explanation of the world is another example of how religion justifies oppression. And since all ideas correspond to a class outlook yours would be objectively only servings the dominant imperialist countries. (I’m not suggesting that you are aware of that.)
There is no need to hide, your religious beliefs no one is going to send you for an reeducations camp for that. Communist are not afraid of a debate, the truth can only help us.

The corporation in America are very aware of the death and oppression that their action crate. Different Corporation actually pay corrupt government to keep their sweat shop in their country legal and not to raise the minimum wage. Coca Kola for example have death squad train to kill union organizers. And the pressure from free trade agreement’s force local economy to go bankruptcy and millions of peasant who used to survive for thousand of years off their land to leave their country and immigrate.
Whets is important to notice however, is that all thus corporations are backed by the state. For example, in Chile when Aliende was proposing to nationalize local resources belonging to American cooperation the state through the arm forces have constructed a coup against him, putting a dictator in place. Or with the invasion to Iraq, Oil Corporation them did not send their personal armies, the state send the army to occupy Iraq.

The oppression against black nation in the u.s. is a its was constructed through the “Jim crow” laws in the 60s, Through the war on drugs by Regan, and the racist school and jail system. Today white people with felonies have more chances of gating a job then black people with no criminal back ground, and one of every black man have been arrested in his life time. I’m not going to even talk about all the murders and harassments committed by the police against black people.

Your thinking about the future is very dogmatic and unscientific. People need to brake away from notions like “human nature”. Do you steel from your father and try to kill your mother? Do you walk down the street looking for women to rape? Why not? What is the morality that you somehow can uphold while other cant?

The obligation of any human towards another is what constitutes a communist morality. The question also is what is the objectively truth and good. It seem ridicules to me to destroy food just to maintain a market price (your country does that too.) while other people can’t eat. In a new and a good society everybody would have the right to not go hungry. Why do you think you deserve to be fed while other are not.

Sure, you can hire child labor from Afghanistan as well, your point?

You seem to have a lot of free time on your hand, not be in need to work for 12 hours a day 7 days a week and to also enjoy the privilege of owning a computer. Why don’t you use that time to do some research on the history of Zionism and America and the economic relationship in the world today?

"Why do you think you deserve to be fed while other are not"

You did not understand what I said.

The answer about who deserve to fed, was a respond to a questing of “why should people share their food with others”? to which I answered that every one has the right to be fed and that no one have more right to eat then others. No body is asking you to stop eating while others are not.
That however, is going to change after the revolution. Every one would have the right to be fed, and no one will destroy food (a point that you ignored) while other are starving.

Before the revolution in China millions people died from starvation and prevention dieses every day, only 15% percent could read and write. By 1976 the life expectancy has doubled from 32 to 65, and literacy rate want to 80%. You should do some research on China’s revolution, I doubt that you even know what was the reasons that led to the revolution.

Again, no one said that you don’t have the right to live or speak your own language. Your right, it has nothing to do with your racist government.

If you can come up with another definition of nationalism I would like to hear it. It seems odd to me to say that if you’re a catholic you are part of the Italian nation.

As communist we uphold the right line and what is objectively true no matter who says what or how small the group who is generating the idea, if it true its true. History was change by people who were considered to be radicals or in very small groups (like Zionist). According to your line black people should have not rebelled in the 60s against racist laws, and South Africans should have not fight the apartheid system. In any case I would recommend you not to just fallow the dominant ideas in society, try to think for your self.

The murder of the family was probably a direct order from India or Britain. The old king was too wick to control the royal army and to fight the Maoists.

Your morality stand is very individualistic. You seem to be only interesting in how thing are going to affect you personally. Sure, you should have the right to eat, but what about the rights of other people?

The west not only arm and aid Hitler against the communist party in Germany, it had no problems with Hitler as long as he expands towards Russia. The Molotov-Ribbentrop agreement was a way to buy some time before Germany invaded. It was obvious that Hitler would invade from his speeches and ideology (beside the point that fascism is just a more extreme form of capitalism). The west in general refused to sign any protection agreement with Stalin, and America even waited until 1944 to open another front in Europe. Not only that, after the war America employed Nazi criminals in different military projects.

I think that you really don’t understand the difference between a dictatorship and fascism…..

The Maoist in Nepal are very aware of the threat of being invaded by China. It’s just that the bigger danger right now is from India, who has in Nepal army posts and settler, and is also depended on Nepal water resources (sound familiar?).

I’m surrey; I did not mean to hurt your feeling.

I do think that Stalin has something to do with this discussion. He is part of the history of communism.

The west have tried to invade Russian from the day it became socialist, long before Stalin became chairman. After the Russian revolution different imperialist armies try to invade Russia almost immediately. It had nothing to do with Stalin; it has to do with the fact that Russia has provided a real example of a batter society, a hope to the oppressed (beside the point that they lost another state to make money off). Socialist Russia and China have affected diffract revolution and rebellious around the world in the course of their life.

On the other hand, Hitler would never come to power with out the help of Britain, and as I said before no one really cared as long as he was expending towards Russia.

I think that you are wrong to say that that Poland Communist party was executed by Stalin.

Here something new that we can discuss: why did the Maoist reject the “democracy” offer by the king? (while all the other parliament parties accepted it)

http://lfpress.ca/newsstand/News/International/2006/...

If you can give me some of your recourses on the killing of the polish communist members, I will relate to it.

You are not talking about the Katyn “massacre”, right?

Well, was it what you meant or not?

It seem to me from what I read that it was a mistake, and a crime.

I’m still waiting for your rescores about the killing of the polish communist party.

The katin massacre happened (even according to western historians) with a polish officers who were aiding and supporting the Nazi army (not to justify it).

people are usually very confuse when it comes to Stalin or Mao that they mix two or more stories together. I wonder what would have happen if I would say on this website that I have a friend that says that a Zionist delegation went to Israel and was assassinated by the Israeli government or by Sharon who was “controlling” the military”? Why when it comes to communism anyone can say what ever he wants, repeat any rumor, or write any book he wants without ever being question?

Again, what assassination are you talking about? Don’t just repeat rumors and gossip of people, especially people who took Russia beck into the sewage, do the research yourself, try to examine thing in relation to material condition and history. And there are other things that Hroshev said in that speech, did you actually read the speech or a friend of yours just told you about it?
Are you talking about Trotsky who was calling for an arm revolution against Stalin while the Nazis were invading? Or was it Bukaharin who was sabotaging the economy? Or was it the organized kulaks fighting the government by murdering people and burning huge supplies? How about Nazi document indicating that there were spies in the Russian government and a possibility for a coup?

I think that your understanding of “leaders” is very mystical. Do you really think that Stalin could just “hypnotize” the Russian people to do what ever he wanted? Did you know that he actually quit his job at a curtain point and was ordered by the party to come beck? The masses are not just some dumb and passive people who fallow who ever come along.

And just another point about the west and Hitler, the west did not “fear” and “admire” Hitler. The west (and Stalin) understood that there is no difference between Hitler imperialism and the other west imperialist countries. What did Hitler do different then the British Empire? r the French empire? Or the American empire? Imperialism as a system is responsible for more death, genocide, and holocausts than the Nazi could ever wish. Stalin and the Russian masses were the only ones who were willing to fight the Fascists, not the French rolling on their back playing dead, not the British paralyzed and panicked, and defiantly not the Americans waiting until 1944 when it was obvious that the German are losing and that other imperialist are weak enough.

Revolutionary Russia recognize Israel as state. Not only that, Jews were granted an autonomies territory in Russia. If you cant relate to facts or history don’t accuse me of being Anti-Semitism (I knew its going to come up at curtain point) people in your country have the tendency to ignore reality and to accuse any one who disagree with them as anti- Semitism.

So let’s see, after a couple of threads I’m still waiting for:

Your definition of the Jewish “nationality”.

The recourses about the killing of the polish communist party.

Your inability to provide a foul picture and understanding to Stalin, communism, W.W.2, Nepal, and history in general

And this is not an attack against you as a person (or as a Jew….), it’s a discussion on history and the possibly of a better society.

Well, saying that I would justify any killing of Jews by Stalin, just because they were Jews, is to accuse me of being anti-Semite.
I don’t think that I even need to comment about the link accusing Stalin for arresting people just because they were Jewish, or that revolutionary Russia was anti-Semitic (right?).
It seems that when ever anyone on this website gets the wrong ideas about things, it usually is justify by “wikepedia”. maybe instead of debating people over here, I should go directly to the source.

Now that we established that no killing of the polish communist party happened, your friend can join the communist party again.

Comrade, I wish you too a good (and a revolutionary) night. Personally I’m too busy to sleep. I’m trying to hypnotize the masses so I can have my own cult, to send different people to a reeducation camps, bashing in the blood of virgins, and assassinating my friends.

Hogs and kisses.

Meow

Now that we established that no killing of the polish communist party happened

I’m surrey, it seem to me that you again ignored the subject.

I did not try to hurt your masculinity, assuming that I’m a man.

still waiting for my answers

I think that that is a good point, actually. The position in soviet Russia was that homosexuality is just another form of oppression against women. That man who “chose” to have sex with other man are just coping the Greek experiment in which woman were the incubators and a second class citizen and only men can truly love have relationship and understand other men.

This also came from the philosophy that all ideas come from class outlook. And that if man is having sex with another man it has to be a political statement. This was one of Stalin and revolutionary Russia errors. To their defense I can only say that examples of homosexuality in nature were not discovered yet.

So I gauss I wont get my answers from you after all. But let see if you can answer this: how would you define a man and woman?

http://www.bidstrup.com/sodomy.htm

In the approximately 1,000 to 3,000 species whose behavior has been well researched and described in the literature, approximately 450 have been shown to have clear homosexual behaviors

"To their defense I can only say that examples of homosexuality in nature were not discovered yet"

http://www.bidstrup.com/sodomy.htm

In the approximately 1,000 to 3,000 species whose behavior has been well researched and described in the literature, approximately 450 have been shown to have clear homosexual behaviors

I just wanted to recommend people again to use pseudo-names, your government has black lists of people who think critically, and with the new “patriotic law” and the latest authorization of Bush to illegally spy on people (not that they did not do it before) things are gating difficult.

The article that you referred to was written in 2000, the book itself was written in 1999.
I don’t think that before the 1980 anyone knew that animals practice homosexuality.

Part of understanding human behavior comes from researching nature. And part of the old scientific view was that fundamentally humans have sex so they can pas on their genes. So, what does it says about people who “chose” not have sex with woman? But that was exactly the mistake of the communist movement, looking at sexuality as a very rigid thing and not being able to have an open mind about this. But what’s more important is that the communist movement at the time (and I would say even today) did not understood that homosexual compose an oppressed minority as well and can be united towards a revolution. For example the fact that animal don’t change their sex does not mean that transsexual is a reactionary behavior (beside the point that there is no way to define what is a “man” and what is a “woman”). On the contrary, transgender are allies of the proletarian towards a better future because of their oppression. There is more work that needs to be done in the communist movement in uniting gender oppressed people.

I think that when we criticize political movements we also need to pay attention to the time and the ideas that were around than. Everything is a progression of something else, nothing is born perfect, and everything in the universe develops through contradictions and leaps. Capitalism and communism were a developments of old production systems, it took capitalism hundreds of years and bloody revolutions to develop from feudalism, and communism would not be around without capitalism and the need to destroy it. We all do mistakes, as humans and as political movement. The question, however, is what is objectively true and what is the goal. Is it objectively true that capitalism as an economic system cannot survive without exploitation? Is it objectively true that only a different production system can bring an end to all the misery, oppression, and enable human to be truly free? And most importantly, does your “means” correspond to the end?

You are right; we cannot outlaw religion or immigration into occupied Palestine just because animals don’t do it, (we should, however, outlaw forced immigration on the Palestinian).

Religion as Marx put it is “opiate of the people”, its represent the need of people to seek meaning in a meaningless society, a socialization and closeness in a society that is driven by cold economic laws. It’s like a drug that gives a relative high, but fundamentally is never a solution to the real problem. Religion is also a philosophical tool to explain and justify reality, and this why religion movements are usually allied with the right. In a communist society religion will be wither away (like the state and laws) as people gain real meaning in their life, view each other as equal, and are confronted with a scientific thinking.
Most religious people have never read the bible (or read it and ignore everything in it). Beside the point that the bible was proven to be false by archeologist and the evolution theory, it is a document full of genocide, oppression, and pornography. If the bible was true it would mean that God, who probably knews about universal laws, thought that in the bible time it would be appropriate if a man who raps a women should marry her, or that a kid who disobeys his father should be stone to death, or that a woman is part of the property of the husband. That if one wants to conquer a city he can take the women as prizes of war (after killing all the man around). It would be one thing if people will relate to this as an old script just like the Egyptian or the Maya property and civil law, its another thing to uphold it as God giving laws or to justify with it the oppression and genocide against the Palestinian and the right of Jews to take land that is not theirs.

I think people should be allowed to immigrate to different places, as a communist I want to abolish all borders and states. At this time, however, we cannot do without them. The question also needs to be why do people immigrate to Israel? Is it from a racist Zionist ideology, that objectively only serves Amerikkka and imperialism? Does it have anything to do with the ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians? Why one by law can have the rights of obtaining land that is not his (by the name of god?) while others who leave their land for a couple of months cannot return?

I’m surrey for writing to much; it’s just that discussion should be part of politics and the current struggle. I don’t want this to become like other debates on this website an intellectual masturbation.

Another way to put it, is that since their no such thing as ideas (or art) in the abstract or above classes, and that all ideas in society correspond to a class out look. If sexuality is mainly for reproduction then that would put homosexuality as a “choice” (idea).

There is no such thing as individual “truth”, there is only objective reality. Well there is obvious b.s. that is not so hard to determine to what class ideology they belong, like one who says “I’m a Zionist and I really believe that the state of Israel is democratic and should be defended from Arabs.” Well, he can really believe that, but objectively Zionism is just another tool in the hand of the imperialist (the same one who support dictators in countries around Israel) and most of the citizens in Israel cant really practice democracy (beside the point that in class society their no such thing as democracy). Or in art, TV sitcoms or movies who portray Arabs or women in degrading ways are representative of a reactionary class outlook. Or music can be defined by the lyrics or the culture that it represents. On the other hand art or ideas that deal with progressive things would be a representative of a proletarian ideology. What I’m trying to get to is that in general there is no such thing as ideas in the abstract or above class ideology.

"To their defense I can only say that examples of homosexuality in nature were not discovered yet"

As you can probably see my English is not very good. I’m surrey for the misunderstanding (I can always try to translate things to Hebrew).

I’m wondering however, do you have any knowledge about the gay/lesbian/transgender struggle in Israel?

I have too much information about “human rights” in Israel. I gauss that it’s always good to knew that as long as you are Jewish your rights will be protected.

My question was with regard to different gay groups that are not delusional about their “freedom” and “democracy”. They are fighting to end the occupation; I think the name of one of the groups is something like “black sheep”. It’s always interested me how people who start to wonder about their own rights (like feminist groups in Israel) end up fighting for everyone’s rights.

I’m too tired right now to go in to whole subject of reeducation camp.

In any case, thanks.

Before I answer your comment, I feel that you should read my comments again. I think that did not understand my writing, and what I meant. Its o.k. if you don’t, no one will kick you out of your house, take your land, and force you to move to refugee camp. No one will starve your family as a collective punishment and bolduse your house in order to maintain security and than kill your daughter or kid and justify it since at the age of six they were already terrorist. No one will arrest you just because you belong to the wrong religion, torture you, torture your family, torture your friends, retrieve fake evidence from you, force you to betray your relative, try you in a military court, and jail you in an inhuman condition. After all, this is not Siberia, or communist Russia, this is the democratic state of Israel.

As I said before you did not understand my comments (nor did you read my other comments). In writing about gay and lesbian groups fighting the occupation I was trying to make the point that although in Israel there are some groups who enjoy some “democratic” rights, they do not let that stop them from fighting for other peoples rights, mainly against the racist occupation of Palestine.

I never compared between Israel and Russia, my comment about Stalin was a respond to people who asked me about Stalin. I don’t think that there a way to compare between the two. Would it make sense to you if I would camper between communist Russia and French under napoleon? How about revolutionary China and America during the civil wars? Or America today and Britain during the 100 year war? The Russian masses were fighting a different mode of production, in a different time in history. Israel unlike Russia is not a third world country trying to gain independent from foreign powers, Israel does not have thousands of peasants dieing from starvation and preventable diesis, did not face invasion by different imperialist army’s, and did not lose supplies by armies of land lord who would rather burn food then sell it to the masses. What’s amazing here, is that Russia over came all of that, outlaw oppression against different minorities, defended her self from imperialist army’s from inside and outside, and managed to achieve a better mortality rate then the one in N.Y. saving hundreds of lives a year.

If you really want to camper Russia to other countries you should camper it to other countries at that time. Imperialist and dominant countries such as, the British Empire where worker work for 16 hours a day and the oppression implicated through organization like the British east India company, French imperialism, or America with the lynch system and the crashing of the economy in the 30’ and the starvation of millions of people as a consequence. Or better yet, to third world countries in that time, like China with the death of thousands of people from starvation and diesis, Algeria under the rule of France, or the Native American or African American under the colonial rule of America. I wrote a whole thread about how we should judge movements with regard to time and place. The choices of the USSR was not between liberal human-rights utopia on the one hand and tsarist era backwardness on the other. People from the West focus too much on issues such as “freedom of expiration” and the right to vote and not enough on causes of death such as food, clothing and basic medical care being lacking. Not only that, what does it mean when people are “allowed” to criticizes their government but can never change their lives to the better or affect in any way the political system? In soviet Russia people were allowed to criticize the government and more than that, their government was actually really working to achieve a better future.

Did Stalin did mistakes, yes. Was it worth it, definitely. I would always support someone who is willing to fight for what is right, against oppression and genocide then someone passively sitting at his home talking about the right to criticism, ignoring reality and real oppression (and fundamentally only trying to protect his own individual previlage). Beside the point that Mao learned from Stalin errors and developed the science of revolution to a whole new level. Russia have achieve for her time things that other third world countries only dreamed of. As I said, you should judge political movements in their time and place in history and the direction that there are going.

Third world countries can never achieve their independent peacefully. And after a revolution classes still exist. Revolution is not a fine dinner party, or a quiet transformation in life. Revolution is an arm insurrection in which one class fights another, and gain control over the economy and life.

In your country for example, after a revolution their still will be thousands of settler and racist people who would not only “criticize” the new people government, but would act to fight for their kind of reactionary future. And on the one hand you don’t want to just send all of them to Siberia. On the other hand you not going to allow them to organize or have any political rights in that regard.

Beside not really understanding what really happened in communist Russia, or the complexities of making a revolution. It also seems odd to me that you as someone who benefits from imperialism and genocide criticize Stalin. One could argue that your “rights” as a “Jew” would never exist without the oppression of the Palestinian. I would like to hear one (1) example of how the Palestinian lives (not the privilege Jewish minority) are better then the lives of people in revolutionary Russia.

If it just a mantra why are you so bothered by it? Is it because something about this mantra is true?

My duty as communist is to educate people and to direct them towards a revolution. I’m not here to participate in the usual intellectual masturbation. While I’m wasting my time writing this lines kids are dieing in third would countries (and yes in Palestine too) as a direct consequence of people like you who don’t want to be bothered with the reality of exploitation and genocide.

Do you think that if this website existence in Germany during w.w.2 it would be appropriate for me to debate people about poems or movies? Or about the differences between a republic and a monarchy? While you’re reading these lines kids in Africa South America and Asia are dieing from starvation and preventable diesis while people like you are benefiting from that holocaust. If you have no idea or interest in ending that holocaust, get the f**k out of the way.

Stop repeating lies and gossip and behaving like a “good Germen”, stop playing the victim and try to brake away from the party-line brain washing type of thinking. Your country was always supported by different imperialists’ powers. Palestine would never be settled by Jewish immigrants without the aid of Britain, and never win its wars of inhalation without the aid of the American money and weapon. And if you have anything to say about communist Russia why don’t you say it? If Stalin and communism are so bad it would not be so hard for you prove it.

Its funny that while you talk about my mantra, you stop to say that Palestinian can go to Musk, so did Jews in concentration camps, what is your point exactly? Your rhetoric about religion in Russia disserves no answer.

And yes, you choosing to run away and hide from this discussing, provides more then just a proof to your inability to “prove” your claim about Stalin and Israel. It shows your individualistic personality and disregard to human lives.

1. ignore everything that was said
2. change the subject
3. say the last word

1. ignore everything that was said
2. change the subject
3. say the last word

1. ignore everything that was said
2. change the subject
3. say the last word

I wish you too a pleasant life in the democratic state of Israel undisturbed by stupid things like genocide and oppression.

My comment was about acts committed by America before and after W.W.2 who were much worse than the holocaust and genocide committed by the Nazis.

http://academic.evergreen.edu/g/grossmaz/interventio...

There was not. There is a difference between the British Empire American imperialism. (I should have chosen a different word).

What happen? I thought that you are not going to “talk to me”? I gauss its hurt when you are confronted for who you are.

Your site is a joke, not only it site as historical evidence u.s. official, in some historian data the blame for 20 millions dieing in w.w.2 is part of Stalin “terror”. Not only that sitting as the death from famine the site never mention the kulaks that were burning supplies, or the poverty that Russia was before and after the revolution, it was all Stalin fault. Your site (although dealing with the question) never really answer the question if Stalin killed so many people then how come 20 million of his people died in w.w.2? but whets really amazing about this site is that it blames Lenin for soldier dieing during the Russian civil war. Meaning that according to this site the dictator rule of the tsar was fine, millions of people dieing form starvation and diesis under the tsar is never mention, but when the Russian masses decide to fight the corrupt rule of the tsar suddenly all death is blamed on Lenin, (who was probably hypnotizing the Russians to fight the tsar although they were having a very good life).

I’m happy to see that you can also goggle web-sites showing the military invasion carry out by imperialist power against Russia. You so ridicules you probably type the first thing that came up, with out ever reading it.

Is this is how you are going to debate me, googeling “Stalin killed millions of people” or “communism is bad”? do you even knew what is the “black book of communism” that your site keeps referring to? Why don’t you go directly to the c.i.a web site, I’m sure they have enough information about Stalin and Mao. With that level of intelligence maybe we should really not debate.

But what should I expect of someone who calls Asian American the same name that they were called when they were slave laboring in the railroads of America, never surviving to be paid? Are you really against communism or you just have no respect to Asian people like Mao? Is this why you are so bothered by me talking about human rights? Stop hiding your agenda everyone can read what a racist you are.

O, and talking about gulags and concentration camps, don’t let this http://www.haaretz.co.il/hasite/pages/ShArtPE.jhtml?... stop you from writing to this web site trying to gain your dignity, for you they probably just some “sand niggers” or what ever other racist name you like to call them, and beside I knew you don’t like to be bothered.

This is an extremely racist comment. Would this website tolerate people calling Jews “kike’s” or black being called “niger’s”? This is so discussing and offensive.

Only in Vietnam more then three million people died. Imperialism kills also in indirect ways. http://www.imperialismkills.org/stats
Amazing with what I need to debate with, people who can’t research how many people died in different wars and intervention.

The fact that a movie says something doesn’t make it o.k. There are a lot of people that I knew who would find it very offensive even so it was in a movie, the “passion of the Christ “ shows Jews in a very offensive and degrading ways if it was funny would it be o.k.? but you knew that you just don’t care.

Latin America is the richest continent with resources, and Africa has enough food and natural resource to sustain it self. The poverty and death is direct consequence of imperialist countries that enforce this oppression. Your orientalist ideology is truly racist, the “primitive” and the “advance”? But I gauss this is the best that you can expect out of someone who is so ignorance to other people’s problems or the economic relationship in the world.

But you are not really interest in that ether; I’m wasting my time on this web. I wish all the people on this website a happy future in your dream land.