פרסומים אחרונים במדור "דת והעידן החדש"

One sees thoughts stretching their hands out of the water, one believes they are calling for help. A mistake: They live below, intimate and very familiar with one another, just try and pull a single one out alone!

I don't think anyone claims that conservative and reform judaism is the same as orthodox judaism, but as you also write, there is no reason to assume that these two movements will fade away.

which part of your claim does my remark on (c) support? please explain.

as for "the judasim we know and remember" - orthodox judasim itself isn't the same as judaism in "bait sheni" period etc., so I believe that for people in the 18th century orthodox judaism differed from the judaism they "knew and remembered".

Sure Sugar...

But pay attention to the fact that I used the word "POEL". The judge *rules* by the law but may *pass sentence* on a moral basis. A thief is a thief, but if one steels bread in order to feed his family the judge will probably choose a punishment from the low-end of the punishment scale that is available to him.

Well, precious, I'd first like to stress (if it wasn't stressed enough) that I differ betwen a ruling (psak din) and passing sentence (gzar din). Second, the fact is that the law doesn't state a specific penalty for every offence but gives the judge a varying range of penalties. This range lets the judge express a moral statement, that is inherently subjective, as you stated.

But huney-bunny, how can we encompas the wide variety of possible circumstances the law may be broken? the fact is that we, as a society, take into account the different circumstances of every crime. Did the mugger steal just for basic needs or for fun & profit? Was remorse expressed? etc. I can understand that this is a "subjective icon in the halls of court" but it's certainly not "unlawful" as far as I understand the concept of man's law (not physical laws). I can somewhat understand the fine (knas) example that you gave, but can you extend this example to prison terms also? I think this would be impossible.

see the discussion between GEG and me on the thread right above our heads:
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IF YOU LIVE LONG ENOUGH IN A REFORM COMUNITY YOU LEARN THAT THEY HAVE NO COMMON BASE OR A RED LINE WICH YOU CAN NOT CROSS.EVEN THE SMALLEST COMPANY HAVE DOES AND DONT'S - SOME KIND OF STRUCTURE,TAHT IS THE REASON WHY THE REFORM THING HAS NO GRIP,NOTHING TO HOLD ON TO.YOU DO WHAT YOU CHOOSE JUST LIKE BEING NON-RELIGIOS MAN/WOMAN!MORE THAN THAT THE OLD HALACHA GOES WAY BACK TO SINI WHERE MOSHE GOT THE TORA FROM GOD WITH THE ROOLS AND STRUCTURE LEARNED IT FROM GOD AND PAS IT ON -THE WRITEN AND THE ONE THAT EXPLAIN THE WRITEN-HALACHA THAT WENT FROM ONE CHACHAM TO ANOTHER UNTIL IT WAS WRITEN IN THE MISHNA ,GMARA AND SHULCHAN ARUCH .THE REFORM TAKE THE EASY THINGS -AND EVEN THAN NOT AS BASIC ROOLS AND CALL IT THE NEW JEW RELIGION- ITS JUST LIKE TAKING A DOOR FROM A ROLLS-ROYS CREATE A EASY MADE CAR - GRUTAA AND CALL IT ROLLS-ROYS!

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